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[专题专项] 俄巡洋舰改造,大型舰艇和潜艇专题

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JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-13 22:12 | 显示全部楼层
yuhouwucaihong 发表于 2012-1-13 21:59
某位先生不要整天点评好不好……没办法回复很不爽的……发张图片就不说了啊,波罗的海的3艘最强大的舰……看 ...

相比之下, 20380的首艇那个身板....看着比较小。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-14 10:53 | 显示全部楼层
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自用型113569-( 11357)

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凌堡- BD48+MD48


宝石-12


俱乐部-12


俱乐部潜射型-12


棕榈树( 看起来像是棕榈树)-2


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xeno 发表于 2012-1-14 11:04 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-14 10:53
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自用型113569-( 11357)

上帝啊,这个是网友的自己设想,不是官方的。

点评

讨论嘛。 虚虚实实,实实虚虚。 加长版这样配置很正常。 数量可能有出入。 都是货架现成产品。  发表于 2012-1-14 11:15
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-14 13:50 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-13 21:30
Sevmash下水啥子艇?

955的三号艇,属于955A型,希望今年5、6能顺利开工

点评

955A 去年已经开工了(第4艘955)。 只不过报道上面有出入。  发表于 2012-1-14 14:02
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-14 13:56 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-13 22:12
相比之下, 20380的首艇那个身板....看着比较小。


看J大的点评。。。。意思是北方今年能下两艘20381??远东的上层建筑分段是彼得堡造完运过去的,这点EVAF也发过图了,而且也是12VLS的棱堡无疑,这样的话有三艘20381下水\服役,这才是下饺子啊

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点评

这个怎么说,建议去看看材料学吧。我说的东西 不管铝镁合金还是铝合金,他们共同额特点就是燃点低,如果不正视这个情况那才叫杯具。我的讲师给我说过,含了铝合金的材料都要主要防火?听不进去。  发表于 2012-1-15 01:00
某ID, 棒槌就不要挥舞了。 好吧。  发表于 2012-1-14 23:38
镁铝合金 作为和铝合金性质一样不耐火的材料,用起来真靠谱吗?而且这个材料到现在对于耐火性的处理还是没有达到很理想的装备,这个真需要观察未来的发展,这艇以后毛子做防火工作是重中之重。。  发表于 2012-1-14 20:20
这年头最怕碰见板锤了。  发表于 2012-1-14 15:48
镁铝合金,不耐火,和LCS一个思路  发表于 2012-1-14 15:20
铝合金制造?  发表于 2012-1-14 14:19
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-14 13:59 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-14 10:53
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自用型113569-( 11357)

1135.7不用棱堡的吧,制导雷达配不上,虽说9M96\9M100是主动蛋,可初期的制导咋办

点评

什么叫做低档? 本菜不懂......  发表于 2012-1-14 23:34
11356M就一低档配置巡防舰,要什么棱堡系统。  发表于 2012-1-14 18:54
俄的自用型, 处于武器系统的标准化要求, 还是很有可能的。 等官方细节吧。  发表于 2012-1-14 14:05
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-14 14:04 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-14 13:56
看J大的点评。。。。意思是北方今年能下两艘20381??远东的上层建筑分段是彼得堡造完运过去的,这点EV ...

2012年三艘20380下水? 不可能哎,

大概能下2艘就很不错了。


前面已经下了3艘了。 第三艘今年交付。

第四艘是远东完美号。 第五艘还在造。

第6艘就是20385, 20385才开铺不久,没那么快的。
shaolin1254 发表于 2012-1-14 17:00 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-14 10:53
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自用型113569-( 11357)

这外形也太坑爹了。以外销印度的塔尔瓦级(1135.6)为基础,就算自用也要做做美容啊

点评

某著名ID出现, 就像看到菜盘子里面有苍蝇一样。 还是敬请别进本菜帖子了。 谢谢。  发表于 2012-1-14 23:35
同意1254一样 这个外形是坑爹。。  发表于 2012-1-14 20:16
本来这个外形都不好呀。。  发表于 2012-1-14 20:15
跟法国的新护卫舰比起来,差多了。毛子就这么缺船?  发表于 2012-1-14 18:55
俺只是认为这图的外形很坑爹,完全不像21世纪的东西。  发表于 2012-1-14 17:26
乃也太神了。 看着这个图都能穿越时空透视未来外形? 再说了,武器也不是为了讨好网络军事爱好者而造滴。  发表于 2012-1-14 17:21
冲压 发表于 2012-1-14 21:37 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-14 13:59
1135.7不用棱堡的吧,制导雷达配不上,虽说9M96\9M100是主动蛋,可初期的制导咋办

偶觉得还是施基利1
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 08:41 | 显示全部楼层
冲压 发表于 2012-1-14 21:37
偶觉得还是施基利1

,原来那个FY的ID是XZ的小号啊,其实我也觉得是SJL1改

点评

和FY的是一致滴。  发表于 2012-1-15 09:15
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 10:07 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-14 14:04
2012年三艘20380下水? 不可能哎,

大概能下2艘就很不错了。

最近弄到一张好图,量产型20381的中控室模型,比以前的CG直观很多,那个LCD至少48寸吧

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还有一个EVAF留下的毛舰党之谜:21631的舰炮,今年也能破解吧

开工铭牌。。。消失的舰炮啊

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JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-15 10:27 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 10:07
最近弄到一张好图,量产型20381的中控室模型,比以前的CG直观很多,那个LCD至少48寸吧

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20381的舰桥图。

看看才。

可以凑合着看着部分位置的图, 但是没有全景实图。

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JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-15 10:30 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 10:07
最近弄到一张好图,量产型20381的中控室模型,比以前的CG直观很多,那个LCD至少48寸吧

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这个21631是2011年才开铺的。


No. 632,  是第三艘。

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2011年才开铺, 今年能下水么?
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 10:33 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-15 10:30
这个21631是2011年才开铺的。

铭牌一样滴,首舰肯定能看到的

点评

很快就下了。  发表于 2012-1-15 11:15
xeno 发表于 2012-1-15 15:51 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 10:07
最近弄到一张好图,量产型20381的中控室模型,比以前的CG直观很多,那个LCD至少48寸吧

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开工铭牌上没有舰炮,那就是没有舰炮,这个最准。
以后改装是以后改装的项目了。
这个21631如果没有搞错的话是增加了直升机平台了,所以不能随便塞太多东西。
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-15 16:25 | 显示全部楼层
xeno 发表于 2012-1-15 15:51
开工铭牌上没有舰炮,那就是没有舰炮,这个最准。
以后改装是以后改装的项目了。
这个21631如果没有搞错 ...

恩,反正快了,8枚宝石的小钢炮啊

点评

8枚宝石了,还是小钢炮么?  发表于 2012-1-15 16:38
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-16 23:44 | 显示全部楼层
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Project 22350的主炮。  A-192,130mm口径。


(研发时间和经历充满坎坷,不过总算搞定。)

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A-192: a new cannon for new ships

Despite the fact that in recent years, the main weapon of the warships was no artillery, but the missiles, the development of modern systems of armament barrel continues. For example, in 1985, was adopted gun mount AK-130 design KB "Arsenal". Two 130-mm guns of this unit are able to send a projectile more than 20 km and firing at a rate of up to 90 rounds per minute. However, for some reason the mass of the finished installation at several tons exceeded the requirements specification provided. Customer, however, arranged for AK-130, although with such a mass it can not be installed on some ships under construction or planned, for example, to patrol the project in 1135.

To fill a "niche" almost immediately after adopting the AK-130 in "Arsenal" under the leadership of JP Prokofiev began work on a similar single-barrel system. The first field tests of a new gun mount, which received the index of A-192 and the name "Armat" took place in the early 90s, and the general public for the first time about her became known in June 1992 from the publication in the newspaper "Red Star". Because of the difficulties of the first decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union work on A-192 were slow and difficult. In addition, greater problems were at the core customer and user of such systems - the Russian Navy. The sharp decrease in financing the establishment of naval artillery, together with almost no construction of new ships has led to the fact that in 2011 - after more than 20 years after the start of development - the project is under testing. However, there are positive aspects. Now the test phase is completed, working out the issues related to the placement of artillery installation on ships. As the main "carrier" for the moment considered Project 22350 frigates in general, and the ship "Admiral Gorshkov" in particular. Recall, according to the plans, "Gorshkov" should enter into operation by the end of this year.

Tower A-192 set to reduce overall radar signature of the vessel carrier is made of polygonal panels involving a blunt angle. The casing of the tower also acts as a lightweight ballistic booking. Total weight of artillery gun with less than 25 tons (for comparison, the AK-130 weighs about 90). Calculation of A-192 - five people. 130-mm gun can be induced by horizontally through 180 ° in both directions (the practical limit of rotation may be a little less, because a weapon should not fire on own ship add-in) and from -15 ° to +80 ° vertically. Weight of shot, used on the A-192, is 52.8 kg, 33.4 of them in itself a shell.Maximum range of fire setting ranges from 18 km (air targets) and 23 km (on targets on the surface of the water / land). Regardless of the angle guidance, such purpose, and so on, rate instruments does not exceed 30 rounds per minute, with a limit to the length of the continuous line - 45 shots. After such a load on the shaft required cooling. During shooting, it is exclusively the natural movement of air around the barrel, and at intervals to reduce the temperature of the barrel through his channel is pumped sea water. Subject to all rules of operation of the resource allows the barrel to make shots in 2500.



In the A-192 uses the same ammunition as an AK-130, namely:
- F-44. Shot with explosive projectile. 33.4 kg projectile is 3.56 kg of explosive. On the F-44 is used 4MRM fuse.
- AP-44. Anti-aircraft ammunition. The weight ratios of mass and the mass of the projectile charge are similar to previous ammunition. Fusing - DBL-60M1.
- AP-44R. Also, anti-aircraft ammunition. Except for fuse AR-32 is identical to the MD-44. Both types of anti-aircraft shells provide an effective anti-ship missile damage in a radius of 8 meters from the point of rupture and aircraft (airplane, helicopter or UAV) within a radius of 15 meters.
- Guided munitions. Index and the characteristics are unknown, but there are anecdotal reports on the development of A-192 active-reactive corrected munitions to attack surface ships and ground targets.

Fire control unit "Armat" performed by MSA "Puma" - 5P10 for Russia or 5P10E for foreign customers. The system, developed in design office "Amethyst", includes radar, television viewer and gyrostabilized platform GOES-140, which established opto-electronic module. "Puma" can detect targets at a distance of 60 km. Together with the discovery of computer system can simultaneously track four goals and provide data for guidance tool on two of them. The reaction time weapons control systems for air target is five seconds, on surface or ground - 10-15 seconds. In the difficult situation when it comes to "work" for a lot of goals, go to the next goal of the total flow required about one second.

So far, the gun mount A-192 "Armat" not entered service. However, shortly to begin work on installing the first production instance of A-192 on the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov". Thus, in the next few months we can expect the installation and formal acceptance into service of the Russian fleet. In addition, "Armat" is offered for export, but interest in it as long as no one showed.



lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-17 20:31 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-16 23:44
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Project 22350的主炮。  A-192,130mm口径。

从AK130的90吨到A192的25吨,减重不少啊,不过130是双联的。。。。5P10制导雷达长得像十字剑(和20380的A190通用),还被很多人喷,都看不见那个光电制导头啊,现在的舰炮也强调近程防空能力了,A192对空有18KM的射程,对海23KM,精度没提到,应该比130提高不少吧。。。看到过能使用火箭增程弹的消息

点评

- Guided munitions. Index and the characteristics are unknown, but there are anecdotal reports on the development of A-192 active-reactive corrected munitions to attack surface ships and ground   发表于 2012-1-17 21:30
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-17 21:28 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-1-17 20:31
从AK130的90吨到A192的25吨,减重不少啊,不过130是双联的。。。。5P10制导雷达长得像十字剑(和20380的A ...

20多年后的A-192不是80年代的那个双联AK-130炮能比的。

那个制导雷达,改进都改了几波了。  还是会有明白人的。
冲压 发表于 2012-1-17 22:02 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-1-17 21:28
20多年后的A-192不是80年代的那个双联AK-130炮能比的。

那个制导雷达,改进都改了几波了。  还是会有 ...

毛毛关于150MM级舰炮的机会就联盟么?
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