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[专题专项] 俄现役装甲车辆平台改进和新装甲平台研发设计专题-(Armata坦克2013年出原型机)

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yuhouwucaihong 发表于 2012-2-3 22:22 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-3 21:59
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南部车臣地区的摩步旅军区最近装备的2S19M1和改进型T-72BM。

这个改进型号好像还参加了俄格战争,xeno之前有说能打740mm的炮弹了。另外J大,有种装了炮瞄镜的,附加装甲上翘的T72改装型号没有服役吗?(找不到图片了,装甲有点像竞技场但是炮塔还有类似T80,T84那种“帘子”,不知道怎么形容)
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-3 22:39 | 显示全部楼层
yuhouwucaihong 发表于 2012-2-3 22:22
这个改进型号好像还参加了俄格战争,xeno之前有说能打740mm的炮弹了。另外J大,有种装了炮瞄镜的,附加装 ...

这个改进型号没有装备。


叫做T-72M1M。

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yuhouwucaihong 发表于 2012-2-4 08:14 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-3 22:39
这个改进型号没有装备。

其实我是想问下这个型号的装备情况,是不是也是跟M1M一个结局?那个T72M1M我倒也是首见,之前一直把M1M和BM两个搞混了

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lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-4 09:20 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-3 22:03
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装甲车辆配备的Glonass导航和定位系统。

火控有升级吗。。。这里有一篇俄军致力于提升火控水平和信息化水准的文章
http://mil.news.sohu.com/20111103/n324382759.shtml

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火控升级了, 采用kalina火控系统的改进版本。  发表于 2012-2-4 09:25
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-4 09:21 | 显示全部楼层
yuhouwucaihong 发表于 2012-2-4 08:14
其实我是想问下这个型号的装备情况,是不是也是跟M1M一个结局?那个T72M1M我倒也是首见,之前一直把M1M和 ...

他们的技术水平不一定有2011年改进的这一批高。
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-4 09:28 | 显示全部楼层
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lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-4 09:20
火控有升级吗。。。这里有一篇俄军致力于提升火控水平和信息化水准的文章
http://mil.news.sohu.com/201 ...

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这篇文章实际上说的是“星座” 集团公司开发的这个系统。


Yeosu TK , 这个系统已经在塔曼旅全面试用好多年了,不断改进。 今年开始初步列装。

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下面示意图中的是一部分
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lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-4 09:37 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-4 09:28
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这篇文章实际上说的是“星座” 集团公司开发的这个系统。

嗯,谢J大的资料,这就是所谓的陆军用C4I吧,俄军算是跟上步伐了

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嗯。 glonass的全面应用是主要特征之一。  发表于 2012-2-4 09:48
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-4 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=394517

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这个专访的核心内容已经在MP网站上有人整理出来了。



Kurganets-25 新一代履带式中型装甲统一平台可于2012年年底出原型机。


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1. "Tractornye Zavody" is a large multifunctional holding and military production is only one of its four main arms: heavy construction machinery (tractors, dozers, trench diggers etc.), agricultural machinery (mainly tractors and combine harvesters), railroad carriages, and, finally, military plants.

2. Military arm of the holding consists of three main plants, in Kurgan (BMP), in Volgograd (BMD) and in Lipetsk (tracked chassis for SAM).

3. Kurganets-25 R&D is finishing and the prototype is expected by the end of the year.

4. BMP-3 and BMD-4 are fine for him, and they aren't bought mainly because the General Staff is awaiting the results of the Kurganets-25 work, so it may switch to it and not the previous generation.

5. On the other hand the GS is reconsidering the airborne troops strategy and deployment options and currently doesn't see a niche for BMD-4.

6. However plants are fine and in no deed of layoffs, as they have enough export orders, mainly for BMO-3 which is popular in the world for its amphibious capabilities.

7. Main requirement for Kurganets-25 theme is the radical increase in protection, but it must remain amphibious — that is, it still has to force the waters with up to grade-3 waves without preparations.

8. Main problem with this requirement is that it entails the radically new materials that lead to the substantial increase in the costs.

9. The price scandals he mainly blames on subcontractors, who tend to blow up their costs even after the contract is signed. The problem is profitability. The 3-5% margin is too little for them to be able to upgrade the plants.

10. The another problem is with the prices for the imported parts, but it is getting better, especially with the IR sights.

11. Monopolization of military industrial complex and the demise of military acceptance institute is contributing to the difficulties with production management.

12. The complex tries to upgrade its equipment despite the lack of investment and "long money", because it radically improves the output both in quality and in quantity, and they hope that the state will pay attention to this matter.

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BMP的替代者值得期待啊,阿兹玛斯轮式的8X8今年样车也有望,个人更喜欢轮子的  发表于 2012-2-5 08:24
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-5 07:24 | 显示全部楼层
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http://www.nta-nn.ru/news/item/?ID=187269&v=print

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2011年下诺夫哥罗德的海燕中央研究院主要研究项目:


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2S34和改进型2S19(M2)的国家测试验收工作

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联盟火炮(履带式和轮式可选方案)的制造工程图纸发放

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用于中型和重型统一装甲车辆平台的7.62,12.7和30mm遥控武器站制造工程图纸发放

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A-190舰炮的现代化改进,采用现代的电液设备

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CRI "Petrel" in 2011 will ship 48 mobile mortar systems to Venezuela

21.04.2011

Nizhny Novgorod. April 21. NTA-Volga - JSC "Research Institute" Petrel "(Nizhny Novgorod) in 2011 under a contract with Venezuela to produce and ship the 48 120-millimeter mortar systems 2S12A mobile.

This agency "NTA-Volga" the company said.

According to the source agency, another 24 mobile mortar complex will be shipped under a contract with the Russian Interior Ministry.

Also in 2011, "Thunderbird" will ship 36 82-mm mortar 2B24 (2K32), under contract with the Interior Ministry, 9 control-verifying machines 1I37E. Including seven contract with Venezuela, 1 - and 1 in Uganda - with Algeria, the party sets of spare parts for the 2B9 and 2B11 mortar under a contract with the Republic of Azerbaijan.

"The company puts the problem in 2-3 years to increase production volumes on the state defense order with 3-4 billion per year", - said the company.

in 2011, will hold a preliminary state testing 120-mm CAO "Host" and a modernized 152-mm SG "MSTA-S";issue of working construction documentation (RCU) for tracked and wheeled options of CAO perspective "Coalition-SV" and the TLV for him;the production design documentation remotely controlled (robotic) weapons complexes of 7.62 mm, 12.7 mm and 30 mm to be placed on unified military platforms, medium and heavy weight category;modernization of the 100-mm naval artillery installed A190 with the transfer of electrical equipment, including Electrical hydraulic on modern element base.

As the CEO of CRI "Petrel" George Zakamennyh at a meeting of the Nizhny Novgorod region on Wednesday, in 2010 total production increased by 63% compared to 2009. The company has fulfilled all the tasks of the state defense order and came out with their products to foreign markets under contracts for military-technical cooperation.

"Active steps to form a portfolio in 2011 allowed to plan further growth of main economic indicators, including production, not less than 30% compared to 2010," - said G.Zakamennyh.

"It is important in the anomalously hot 2010,study of CRI" was on Petrel "mobile fire-fighting systems. These proposals are submitted to the JSC" NPK "Uralvagonzavod" for further progress "- added in conclusion, CEO of the company.

JSC "Research Institute" Petrel "was founded in 1970 as the parent company to develop a barrel artillery Army and Navy. Institute has design, research, production and test databases, which allow to realize the full cycle of artillery, including the production of experimental and pilot samples, testing their designs at the stands and on the proving ground, as well as production.

Over 40 years of existence the Institute has more than 400 research and development work, passed to the customer for more than 60 models of new technology.


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现在看来不是那么回事。 另外,2S25章鱼一直也在装备。 2012年持续采购。  发表于 2012-2-5 08:32
陆地版联盟炮不是被波波夫金砍了吗  发表于 2012-2-5 08:17
lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-5 08:21 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-5 07:24
http://www.nta-nn.ru/news/item/?ID=187269&v=print

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J大,小白不懂电液技术是什么东东,会不会和20385上面没有5P10炮瞄雷达有关,火炮本身机械精度的提高吗

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和那个雷达没有多大关系。 采用了新的电液设备,意味着控制精度,反应速度,重量,功耗的下降。  发表于 2012-2-5 08:31
lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-5 11:22 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-3 21:59
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南部车臣地区的摩步旅军区最近装备的2S19M1和改进型T-72BM。

记者的摄影水平都不是盖的,还想 问问J大72大改和90A据说都是简易的武器站,加了一些简单的瞄具吗

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手上没有,在CD陆版看过。  发表于 2012-2-5 13:30
能发个随动的视频吗。。。  发表于 2012-2-5 13:28
没看见开火的视频。  发表于 2012-2-5 13:26
可以和炮长镜随动。  发表于 2012-2-5 13:25
lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-9 08:54 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-5 07:24
http://www.nta-nn.ru/news/item/?ID=187269&v=print

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2012要装备36部122的旋风G,貌似和2011持平,还想向J大确认一下,220的U型和300的S型是否全部研制完了,没看到过装备消息
lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-9 08:56 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-9 08:54
2012要装备36部122的旋风G,貌似和2011持平,还想向J大确认一下,220的U型和300的S型是否全部研制完了,没 ...

今年4、5月份通过出厂状态测试
http://vpk.name/news/64581_minob ... ognya_tornadog.html
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-9 13:20 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-2-9 08:56
今年4、5月份通过出厂状态测试
http://vpk.name/news/64581_minoboronyi_kupit_36_sistem_zalpovogo_ogn ...

暂时暂停了采购, 等国家验收完了才恢复采购。

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有不少武器是边国家测试,边服役的。  发表于 2012-2-9 15:02
那去年买的30多辆算是试用的吧  发表于 2012-2-9 14:58
wanghuanbs 发表于 2012-2-14 01:56 | 显示全部楼层
暴力英雄 发表于 2012-1-21 05:19
给楼主捧个场,恭喜升为特妖评论员了。发个BMPT火力支援战车的视频,捎带着也给介绍下

暴力兄帮忙把这个据说是ka-52的视频转到youku被。http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyPR6uL6NBI

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这个是直升机红外寻的导弹防御系统的?和当前主题没有关系  发表于 2012-2-14 04:26
wanghuanbs 发表于 2012-2-14 02:01 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-3 21:28
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那个貌似是岸炮
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-14 22:28 | 显示全部楼层
wanghuanbs 发表于 2012-2-14 02:01
那个貌似是岸炮

知道。 貌似是130的。
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-15 23:12 | 显示全部楼层
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http://ural.ria.ru/army/20120215/81875971.html
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Uralvagonzavod discussing with the Ministry of Defence on production of new tanks and the modernization of the T-72s
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MOSCOW, February 15 - RIA Novosti. Defense Ministry is discussing with NPK "Uralvagonzavod" (UVZ) on the possibility of increasing the volume of deep modernization of the T-72s and expects that in 2013 will be a sample of the new tank, and from 2015 will begin mass production of this car, the head of department, Anatoly Serdyukov.

"We have now discussed in some detail what concerns the profound modernization of T-72 tanks. To date, we have a contract for 170 cars - it's more than 6 billion rubles. We agreed that it is possible, the plant could open additional capacity to increase the existing capacity of deep modernization of the existing fleet of tanks "- Serdyukov said during a meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, which was also attended by Director General of" Uralvagonzavod "Oleg Sienko.

"At the same time every year, upgradeable tank suited to the new tank, which we want to get as part of our okra, which we signed with the plant, and we hope that in 2013 we get the first sample," - said the Minister.

Premier said to Sienko to be able to perform such a volume of the plant.

"Today we launched a second site in Omsk, specifically for deep modernization, expansion of facilities for modernization. Of course, we have been preparing for it. Now calculate the possibility of increasing to 50% by volume, and I hope that well this year, these amounts will be mastered" - said the CEO, "Uralvagonzavod".

"I understand that a deep modernization of the T-72, it actually takes you on the quality of the product to the level of T-90. We have talked before, and now you mention it - we need to go on a completely new product, the technique an entirely new generation. How are things? "- said the prime minister have.

Serdyukov said he hoped that in 2013 , sure to be ready for samples. "We have already signed the contract, the figures are defined, and From 2015 it will be essentially mass production. But up to 2015, we just want to spend much of their equipment for upgrades and deeper approach to this appearance, and then get an entirely new car, that we will start to buy "- Serdyukov said.
In turn, Director General of "Uralvagonzavod" noted that such plans are fully satisfied with the company.

"We have already shared with the military, starting in the summer, starting points on which we test the main hub units, then to move to the new TOR, previously approved, and of course hope that this work will be done in 2013," - said Sienko.

"I met with the experts, you have a very good team of engineers and scientists. I hope that the problems that stand for the defense of the state, in this part, of course, will be fulfilled.


 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-15 23:18 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-15 23:12
http://ural.ria.ru/army/20120215/81875971.html
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Uralvagonzavod discussing with the Ministry of De ...

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UVZ老大,谢尔久科夫和普金:

Armata新一代坦克: 2013年出原型机, 2015年批量生产。
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T-72深度改进型, 订单数170辆。

需要增加额外的生产能力满足订单要求。 把鄂木斯克的原T-80坦克生产车间用来作为T-72深度改型的车间, 提升产能50%。
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T80算是彻底出局了?我觉得大量的T72/90+少量精锐的T80才是王道吧  发表于 2013-2-11 23:03
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-2-16 22:25 | 显示全部楼层
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普金参加卡玛兹的第2百万辆车下线, 参观台风装甲车
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