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[发动机] 俄罗斯军用发动机研发专题

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 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 08:25 | 显示全部楼层

其实就是129项目啦。 129就是PAKFA的第二阶段发动机。
冲压 发表于 2012-3-14 08:37 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 08:25
其实就是129项目啦。 129就是PAKFA的第二阶段发动机。

明白,知道说的是129.不过没提到什么现阶段、第一阶段,117的尴尬地位可见了

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以后可以给苏-35用。  发表于 2012-3-14 09:04
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 08:39 | 显示全部楼层
2010年下半年就开始准备进行国家验收测试。 但是由于装机对象没有确定而一拖再拖。
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Preparations of the upgraded aircraft engine AL-31FM2 for the state tests


General Designer MMPP "Salyut" Michael Kolotnikov noted that, while maintaining essential commonality with the basic AL-31F engine , the new AL-31FM2 far surpasses it in its characteristics, which would give the aircraft a fundamentally new quality. According to him, the AL-31FM2, in particular, significantly higher take-off thrust and better fuel consumption figures .

"In addition, AL-31FM2 introduced digital control system and engine control system FADEC on," - said M. Kolotnikov.

He said that "changes have also affected the turbine cooling system, low pressure compressor, a combustion chamber."

According to him, the engine AL-31FM2 interchangeable with the base engine and does not require the modernization of the aircraft nacelle modifications.

AL-31FM2 upgraded for the second phase of modernization of the base engine thrust AL-31F 12.5 tons on the AL-31FM2 maximum thrust compared with the base engine is increased by two tons - up to 14.5 tons Engine has a new fan of increased pressure, improved combustion chamber , the turbine high efficiency and new digital autopilot type FADEC.
lxf11711 发表于 2012-3-14 09:18 | 显示全部楼层
下一批次的的SU34能换99M2和AESA就好了,现在单子签了92架,加上之前的32架,共124
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 09:20 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-3-14 09:18
下一批次的的SU34能换99M2和AESA就好了,现在单子签了92架,加上之前的32架,共124

萨留特从去年就开始和苏霍伊谈,想把99M2安装到苏-34上面。 现在还得看看谈判进展如何了。


PS: 战斗轰炸机, 装着AESA有P用。

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恰恰相反,非常有用,懂装备使用就不会说这种话了。  发表于 2012-3-14 22:50
冲压 发表于 2012-3-14 09:58 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-3-14 09:18
下一批次的的SU34能换99M2和AESA就好了,现在单子签了92架,加上之前的32架,共124

AESA?连苏35都没AE可用

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体制党歪楼了。  发表于 2012-3-14 09:59
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 19:46 | 显示全部楼层
"SUKHOI" IS EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF ENGINE AL-31F M2 FOR SU-27SM AND SU-34
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"Sukhoi" is exploring the possibility of engine AL-31F M2 for Su-27SM and Su-34 in the framework of their future mordernization. reported "SPC Gas Turbine" Salute "," Sukhoi "interested in the engine AL-31F M2 according to the results of scientific and technical advice, dedicated to the results of development work on the modernization of the AL-31F engine of the second stage (the AL-31F M2). The NTS was attended by representatives of the "bureau" Sukhoi "," United Aircraft Corporation "(USC) and the" United Engine Building Corporation "(ODC).


 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 21:30 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 JSTCVW09CD 于 2012-3-14 21:31 编辑

The “Gas-turbine engineering research and production center “Salut” will deliver a batch of AI-222-25 engines for Yak-130 aircraft to Irkut Corporation
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FSUE “Gas-turbine engineering research and production center “Salut” will deliver a batch of AI-222-25 engines for Yak-130 operational trainers to Irkut Corporation. The jets are intended for Russian air forces, the press-service of Salut reports.

The corresponding contract has been signed on February 14th 2012 by the president of Irkut Corporation, Alexey Fedorov, and CEO of Salut, Vladislav Masalov.

The deliveries of AI-222-25 engines will provide the construction of 55 Yak-130s in accordance with the contract signed by Russian Ministry of Defense and Irkut Corporation in December 2011. The contract, signed in the network of State defense order, is the top-priority one for us in the context of delivery dates and quality of our products, - said Vladislav Masalov. It is the first long-term contract and it is intended for three years. This will allow us to perform it in time, - the CEO of Salut noted.

President of Irkut Corporation, Alexey Fedorov, noted that the share of State defense order in the enterprise’s production program is increasing. We have also started the export deliveries of Yak-130s and we see the future prospects for this jet at the global market. Simultaneously Irkut is carrying out work on improving the combat capabilities of Yak-130, - Alexey Fedorov noted.
奇多圈 发表于 2012-3-15 14:16 | 显示全部楼层
这个发动机跟三姨夫能否互换?

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不需要啥子多调整,直接互换。  发表于 2012-3-15 15:53
btxqxp 发表于 2012-3-15 22:47 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-14 19:46
"SUKHOI" IS EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF ENGINE AL-31F M2 FOR SU-27SM AND SU-34
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"Sukhoi" is expl ...

J大,现在毛子好像没有再改进苏-27到苏-27SM的计划了吧,难道是等M2...

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和99M2没关系。  发表于 2012-3-15 22:49
奇多圈 发表于 2012-3-16 02:10 | 显示全部楼层
如果能和三姨夫互换,发动机推力加大不少,与发动机相连接的机体结构是否也要做加强?
szxb1207 发表于 2012-3-16 14:55 | 显示全部楼层
听说有外国投资者投了资,不知情况如何。
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-3-30 09:53 | 显示全部楼层
等着看31FM2的大图

Research and Production Center Gas Turbine "Salute" will present at the Second Forum "Engineering Technologies - 2012" the layout of the upgraded engine AL-31FM2.

Upgrading the engine provides significant improvements in: thrust is increased to 14 500 kg, and the designated resource is more than 3000 hours. However, he has the same dimensions as the base of the AL-31F, which allows to remotorize fleet of Su-27 in service with no additional changes to the airframe and engine nacelle.

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不是发动机沙龙。  发表于 2012-3-30 12:07
发动机沙龙每年都有的吧  发表于 2012-3-30 11:41
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-4-7 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
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留里卡技术中心总设计师在三月份表示
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给PAK-FA的117发动机已经安装了CL-02版的FAEDC。 (更新的FADEC)

已经开始第二阶段发动机的设计研发工作:

设计了N种发动机方案, 全新的发动机设计方案, 和苏霍伊设计局就发动机的技术指标,尺寸等进行协调。

土星承当70%的发动机研发工作。 留里卡研发中心是发动机的集成设计局,决定发动机的基本构型。

发动机的各个组件的多种方案已经完成,并且优化。
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Manufactured and went through a fitting on-site full-scale mock engine for the PAK-FA with ACS CL-02.

In 2012, began development work on the perspective of the second stage engine for the PAK FA. Now at the stage of preliminary design worked out a sufficient number of options, and already there is coordination with the Bureau Sukhoi on product specifications, dimensions. Worked out a large number of options for engine components, that are optimal, elaborated versions of a fundamentally new product design. We are in the beginning, yet minimum reserve made in the long-term R & D product is great. About 70% of  the amount of work on the engine falls on NGOs "Saturn." The company team has ensured that the Lyulka is a KB-integrator for the development of this product and  the ideology of the new engine is determined by us.

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火箭兵 发表于 2012-4-7 19:02 | 显示全部楼层
火箭兵 发表于 2012-2-10 19:05
最大推力是?

好东西,江和浦应该选择引进这个NK32呀

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他不负责引进,他负责的是自研.  发表于 2012-4-7 22:52
GCXYJ 发表于 2012-4-7 21:38 | 显示全部楼层
火箭兵 发表于 2012-4-7 19:02
好东西,江和浦应该选择引进这个NK32呀

发动机并不只有这一个指标啊  推重比只有7 焊道比大  耗油大   自身重量就达3吨啊 神马样的战斗机可以装得下3吨的神器啊?????

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这东西是轰炸机用的  发表于 2012-4-7 23:49
冲压 发表于 2012-4-8 18:54 | 显示全部楼层
wanghuanbs 发表于 2012-2-13 23:35
好啊,以前透露的指标推力远大于F119。

129看起来更像毛版F135,而不是119
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-4-8 20:24 | 显示全部楼层
冲压 发表于 2012-4-8 18:54
129看起来更像毛版F135,而不是119

主要是核心机, 看看今年的消息吧。 统一核心机下怎么搞得等细节。

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口胡了........  发表于 2012-4-8 21:43
11.5t的静推力相对18吨的加力太不给力了  发表于 2012-4-8 20:59
北极睿熊 发表于 2012-4-8 20:47 | 显示全部楼层
129项目 速度加快了
wanghuanbs 发表于 2012-4-9 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
冲压 发表于 2012-4-8 18:54
129看起来更像毛版F135,而不是119

你以为过小的涵道比是先进的象征?那是美国在当时技术条件下的无奈选择。

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嗯,请教一下,涵道比0.5的和0.2的发动机在万米高空的其地面最大军推推力损失率是多少?  发表于 2012-4-20 08:14
沒有變循環,就表示超音速悲催。。。  发表于 2012-4-16 13:46
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